questiuon is if the jumping performance from 8600GTS across several games is due to drivers or bad architecture in 8600GTS.

Sometimes 8600GTS run up to 7950GT,sometimes slower then 7900GS.This really huge difference not seen with other cards.

Hard to tell now and I would wait with buying this card.To be honest NVIDIA even didnt make the drivers for 8800 series working properly apposite to 7xxx series.If someone interested ATI X1950GT has much better performance for less money.Only drawback is missing DX10 support.

BTW I am 7900GT owner

LFS does only 16bit for skys and thats the issue.I have been already reading that in past from Kidcodea and Don.We might ask Scawen why is like that and if this could be fixed.

So even the files are in 32bit format the banding in pictures is casued by LFS doing only 16bit rendrening to skys.

Would be worht toi FIX it before the final S2 but I guess Scawen is now very busy with the new test patches and features he want to add like balancing cars and other nice multiplayer improvements.And you know his favourite quote that LFS is not screenshot generator.I can agree it shouldnt be happening nowdays and might be sometimes annoying.

This issue is not related to your graphic hardware thought might be more visible on some LCDs which use only 6bit colours(its 3*6bit for RGB) or on LCD with 6bit+RFC. Almost all LCD currently cant display all colours range as CRT monitors.Its "small" drawback with LCD technology.

Hi Dru,

keep us posting.
I have few bits in my mind but its uselless untill you will re-install your OS.

Quote from AndroidXP :

If you're in first car, you have no other cars in front of you, thus saving a ton of polygons to be rendered. If you're in second car, there is the first one in front (duh) which of course takes some calculation power.

More important: Please realise that a drop from 250fps to 150fps is NOT huge. The rendering time for a frame simply changed from 4ms to 6.6ms. If you had 50fps (20ms), this would be equal to a drop to 44fps (22.6ms).

Hi AndroidXP,
I know quite good when there is no car in front me only track is renders but still something is rendered.I am not such a noob ....

Still the LFS cars has not so much polygons to make such a drop.And DROP is still huge even you saying the opposite.Its not about the "ms" staff you are talking about.60 percent drop with track+just 1 more car looks really odd and huge drop to me.When I am in 3rd car the drop is not so huge....etc.The drop seems very non-linear.I only saw this with games badly optimised in 3D engine. LFS seems overally very effective but sometimes these drops doesnt make really sense to me on very powerfull machines.

I really dont want to steal this thread by this 3D stuff so this is my last post regarding this but as I said something looks probably "wrong". I could make testing with examples if needed.

Overally I would like to thx Scawen for this patch.Looks realy promising in the multiplayer area and the clutch thing as well.I am looking forward for the next updates...

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:49.

what about these:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ ... il.jsp?ProductCode=321083

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ ... il.jsp?ProductCode=321108

Quote from Jakg :

Scawen, have you optimised this code at all? i usually get about 45 FPS with a full grid, and now with the extra 8 cars on track i only get 40 FPS, which which is a ~12.5% decrease in FPS for 40% more cars!

Great work Scawen, now go and get yerself a pint!

I would a bit disagree or there could some discussion.I sometimes feel - well I see it on my screen .Just tried yesterday to put 16AI on track.When the cars where driving on track and almost all AI were close to each other, I had from wheel view with 1st car around 250 FPS when game was paused(I guess when game is paused physic calculations are not happening) and with 2nd car I had around 150 FPS. Its not about I have this huge FPS and I am complaing but I think this "bug" affect huge grid start FPS drop or where there are many cars around.If my assume is right that when the games is paused that physic calculation is not done then it has nothing to do with CPU power.

It doesnt not make sense to me that with only 1 car drowed before me the FPS drop is so huge.I see this behavious in LFS 3D engine very often and it give a HUGE question why this is happening.Something wrong with utilising Vertex engine in some cases? I would like to really know the answer to it and if from Scawen this could be even better.

If this could be "fixed" somehow then we could have some nice FPS boost especially at grid start with many cars.Maybe if Scawen could try NVPerfKit for vertex peformance? I wanted to try it myself just for curiosity on LFS but LFS is not DX8.1 which is the minimal requirements.Its just DX8.

I think my PC spec are good so this should not happening.
AMD 3200+
2x512 MB RAM,CL2.5,Command rate 1T
NVIDIA GeForce 7900GT

SORRY IF THIS IS TOO MUCH OFF TOPIC

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:06.

Hi Orion

I would be still hard thinking about allowing Dastin as a "single member team".I am not happy this 1 man entry idea is supported due to several deaths happend across the world already.I am not saying this should happend "knock,knock" but I dont wanna LFS would have this bad publicity in case something went really wrong.

I think we should be really more serious about this "issue". I know its his own decision but sometimes people make them wrong and realize it late.

I dont want him to be not allowed but I think the best idea would be proactive in some way and find him at least some drivers who would be happy to enter "his".I am sure there are more 1 man drivers around who would like to join this 24h race so put them somehow together would make them all happy and not causing any potential troubles

LFS forum and players have been for ages one of the best gaming comunity around with very good ideas,manners so we should be really serious about these things.

Best Regards,
DEVIL 007 - ZT member

Hi Electrik Kar,
I am finally back from my 2weeks+ vacation around Czech Republic and what I have noticed ....nice update.
Will look into it closely once I will sort out everything at home .I am looking forward to another co-operation with you.Cya soon

Victor,
wouldnt be better to start using temporary ban(lets say 2-3weeks - decision can be made later)for S2 cheaters? I am not accusing anyone currently but it would fix many problems.

People would be thinking in advance if the temporary ban is really worth this cheating.There would be less people "hunters" around and I would think the comunity or some part of comunity would be less frustrated and this all would really calm down.

Per the licence rules you would have the rights doing this.

Quote from al heeley :

Oil leaks with engine damage and loss of traction in the leak area would be really cool though, no matter how many times it's been suggested.

Yeh,it could be really cool but how you would to simulate it that everyone would have still fair race?

Being it random I would be pretty frustrated to get this and other would get easily unfair advantage.

In real life such a leaks affect more things like good engineers working on the car,good/bad mechanics,quality/poor quality materials and there is a lot more ofcourse.This all is usually quite different for every racing team/racing car in real racing so how you would really want to simulate this.I see it for many years still not possible.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

I want the source code of a commandline version of the dedicated server.

You must be kidding

@csurdongulos

Hehe.....it really doesnt work that way that you can count together two 12V rails.
The independent +12V rails are now used as the CPU nowdays use quite a lot of power as well the graphic cards so its better to run them on seperate rails.It should make the system more stable.

I didnt recomend him some overprized PSU or the one which is more then he would really need.Sometimes you can use the PSU later as well as I did with my last one sometimes unfortunatelly not like in his case.Its better to think in advance in some situations.

Anyway your PSU seems tobe quite good.He could difenately use that one as well.It just depend how much is it cheaper then the one I recomended.

just a simple question:

Is that problem that you cant ping the server and as well you cant connet to the master to get the game list or the problem for some of you is just that you cant ping the master server?

If so,why is that a problem.As I said it has a reason that some servers on net dont reply to ping by answer.

Quote from nutty boy :

Oh, well i'll decide that when it starts.

Sorry I didnt realize that I am leaving on vacation so if the "competition" will start between 18th August and 2nd Septemeber I am out and you can give my place to anybody you like to give.

Sorry for that

Victor,
Its wonderfull....I got 700+ KB/sec speed download from this server against the previous 40-50KB/sec.Thats really massive improvement.
ITs like going from Trabant to F1 Sauber

I like very much the edited screenshots thread and it was frustrating waitng for any file to show up on my screen.

The forum run definately smooth as well.Great job and thanks.

Quote from 510N3D :

bla bla exuses bla bla...its allways the friend or the brother, or the friend of the brother that forced someone to perfom bs And asking the lapper for you pb over and over again shows that you knew what you where doing. poor boy get lost and better not join when im on a server.

+1 /ban 9999 all servers

btw. as far as i know Failure this pb has been allready removed so everything was for the cat (does this prase exists in english?). lol

Agree
It exist in Czech

I have some feeling this online cheating has now getting out of the controll somehow when it is possible even in S2 online.I think Scawen must be feeling very frustrated as people are starting complaing about it more and more and he might have some problems fix it.

I am more then happy he doesnt do his regular development but spend time on this ****ing cheating.Yes I have used this word because I am really frustrated as well.

I wanted to go online again after some time but in this situation when someone can silently cheat I have now no reason for this anymore unless this wil be fixed.I dont want to loose against some "kids" screaming before their screens how so good they are with this cheat.Thanks to all you have invent it and use it.

Call me idiot if you like that I am bit harsh with seeing cheating "everyone" but its just my personal feeling nothing more.No personal antisymapthy to anyone

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:14.

*bump*
Guys...somebody post here something interesting.Some nice riddle would be handy

Quote from steve :

physical, im most likey dying.

Hi-res you say? I could do that.. but itll be like 100+mb and got nowhere to host it thats been majorly cropped too, it was 720x400 widescreen originally.

Guys could someone provide him a space.I would like to see that immersive action really in better quality.I really enjoyed it watching.

100Mb is no problem for me to download if the hosting will have decent upload speed like 500KB/sec+

Quote from Bubbalainen :

Uhm herbsie, which one of those is it? :/

Probably these if you have windows XP.
https://support.ati.com/ics/su ... Answer.asp?questionID=640

Quote from tristancliffe :

I'll buy you a Barbie in compensation.

ROFL

Quote from steve :

got bored and thought id try out something different.. black bar in the way is pretty gay though. Click here to see Video

now thats is really cool dude.It looks so immersive from that video.
What is your rig actually?Would be possible to get hi-res version of this video?

P.S:I would wish to have the money to get such a screens.You have to really enjoy LFS racing on this setup.

Quote from MutantDesert :

Everyone can ping the server, so its not normal.

Well if you cant ping some server it doesnt automaticaly mean that you have a problems.Some machine on net just dont return the ping.It has a reason sometimes.

I can connect to the master server however I cant ping it.

Quote from herbsie :

Just download the latest drivers with Ati catalyst control center, all the settings are in there and easy to use. Set aa x8 and af x16

https://support.ati.com/ics/su ... knowledge&folderID=27

Just a correction.Max for ATI is 6xAA and 16AF.
Another thing.Please dont use his crappy resources eating CCC .

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:33.

Hi Tristancliffe,
I dont want to screew this guy to get the licence from you as he seems really to be nice one(why he wouldnt to get the licence for free ) but hope he is not another "faster111" .

Hi all,

here is mine.